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Alsace and Italy releases


#61

@szaki1974 that sounds like a plan…

I am waiting until I’ve been to the Faller dinner in Glasgow next week to see what might come out of that before adding to Alsace. I’ve also bought a few bottles recently elsewhere of wines not featured by WS - Boxler, Zind Humbrecht ones which aren’t on this offer for example.


#62

Very pleased to see TWS have increased their Alsace range and finally got some more PG on the list, but I am curious to see so many Gewurztraminers there, I like the grape but I don’t know anyone who buys much of it, maybe I am wrong ?


#63

I love Gewurz and buy quite a few bottles whenever I can - not just from Alsace (by far my favourite), but also from Alto Adige and Chile.


#64

I buy a few from time to time, but it’s not a wine I would look to buy even a half case as a rule…the exception was a Trimbach 83 Cuvee des Seigneurs which was still superb 12 years on…

I would tend to want to buy a single bottle of one before committing to more, as the styles vary so much. I tend to prefer the drier versions, unlike Pinot Gris where I like a fatter richer version as a rule.


#65

I buy it, both dry and sweet styles for different purposes. I have almost never found a non-Alsace one that approaches even the simplest Alsace ones. But I am not sure I have ever bought one from TWS. Alsace is on the route to almost as many places as the Loire, and not a bad place to spend a night.


#66

This looks tempting, especially as most red Burgundy is getting beyond my financial reach!


#67

See my travel post…earlier.


#68

“red Burgundy is getting beyond my financial reach!”

Could not agree more, but this is not cheap, only comparatively, I have a 2016 Paul Blanck one from the winery in the same village we stayed in in the Alsace, Kientzheim which was around 10-11 euros, I will let you know how it stands up, the two cheaper ones from the supermarket were drinkable but no more than would expect for 5 euros…


#69

Yes, there’s quite a bit of average-ish pinot noir from alsace which is cheaper but no bargain.

Though at the better end of the market, the society is currently listing Muré’s Clos St. Landelin (which is a clos within the Vorbourg GC) - frequently cited as the best PN from Alsace. In fact, the true aficionado can go for the case of three separate vintages of the same.


(it’s not on the Alsace page)

Muré also make a PN from their other holdings on the Vorbourg, just called “V”. It’s less expensive than the Clos St. Landelin, but is occasionally the better wine. Not currently any on the list, though I’m sure the Society has offered it from time to time.


#70

Any idea on style and weight @Ghost-of-Mr-Tallis

I’ve always found Alsace Pinot noir too light for my tastes. Obviously not tried the right ones but would appreciate any pointers.


#71

The two cheapie PNs I brought back from the Alsace were not lightweight which is suprising, they weren’t anything you would cross the road or detour to buy, but not lightweight.
Having said that they were ripe fruit which is more than many cheap NZ PNs manage.


#72

I know exactly what you mean, @Russ - some of them a little more than a rosé.

I haven’t tried the Sipp wine so can’t comment on that one, but the Muré one is nicely balanced between all the main component parts. My main disagreement with PN wines from outside Burgundy is that somehow there is something out of kilter - often the tannins, or maybe a simplistic fruitiness. The Muré one sails past all that effortlessly. It isn’t a big new-world PN, but for my taste when young it has an aromatic sort of fruitiness which I suspect should mature well.

Not sure if that helps! By the way, I did ask Véronique Muré when last there a few years ago whether PN’s from Alsace went through a closed-down phase, such as burgs. sometimes do. She said they usually don’t, though they can become a bit attenuated for a spell. So a sort of halfway closed I guess.


#73

This is a great Alsace Pinot Noir, I’ve had the last 3 vintages and it never disappoints. I’ve just taken delivery of more Thursday. I would definitely recommend it.


#74

I agree…there are not many which pass this test in my view. I have tried Chilean, NZ, SA and Aus and with the exception of a couple of upper end NZ I haven’t really found anything that ticks the boxes. East European tend to do it ok at the lowest end of the range but not beyond. Maybe I should try Oregon, Washington state too…

Having said that, a fair number of Burgundies also don’t…though less so than 20-30 years ago.


#75

You’re right about then being little more than rose. The last one I tried to was nearly white wine colour. I wouldn’t mind if it had any flavour. Even rose can be nice.

I’ll look out for the Mure. Thanks


#76

I think that with the upcoming Grand Cru status Alsace producers have been taking Pinot Noir more seriously than in the past. Mure of course are a specialist Pinot Noir producer and the wines are also very tempting. There is a bit of a gap in the market for old world style pinot noir between £15 and £30. German growers have been producing some really good pinots, which I have found more to my taste than the generally too sweetly fruity examples from the new world (obviously there are exceptions).
The Louis Sipp wine apparently has 2 stars with the Hachette guide, but I also trust the W/S buying team that there is some quality to back up the price tag and I like my pinot with a bit of bottle age.


#77

In life you usually get what you pay for, wine doesn’t quite work like that and PN certainly doesn’t, so the quest for the holy grail in wine goes on , good PN at a reasonable price.
The trouble with producers outside of Burgundy is the price of the better ones just keeps rising often without justice, NZ at one time thought to be the country to come to the salvation of PN lovers everywhere has seemingly split between not very good, green, PNs at the lower, up to 20 pound level and a lot more for their better wines above that.
The states is worse with some very good PNs but on a par price wise with Burgundy.

So the search has switched to South America, Chile, the eastern block countries and Germany and the Alsace, there are others on a limited scale.
Logically as climate change and suitable sites are constantly being discovered that will support PN the quantities will go up and the price should come down, time being the factor there.
Along with the fact that the mysteries of growing PN well are being uncovered.
As with other grapes PN will never be the same outside of those great sites in Burgundy, it isn’t for any other grapes either, that’s no big deal all versions can be as good in different ways as with Syrah and Cabernet Sauvignon for instance, so if you still insist on that DRC benchmark for your PN you are going to have to pay for it.

Despite all that there are a few PNs that I have enjoyed at the lower end, TWS had a decent one from Chile , Concha y Toro Corte Marcelo Limarí Pinot Noir, no longer in stock, that one for the money was as good as your going to get for £8.50 and I am sure there are others


#78

I gave the Paul Blanck PN a go last night, needless to sy having lugged the bottle back from the Alsace I find Waitrose sell it !
Paid around 11 euros there and it is ! £13.95 here.
Nice dark transluscent colour with that slightly oily look, not a lot of anything on the nose even given time and air, some faint cherry/strawberry flavours and decent acidity.
Would I bother again, no, very standard fare, but if you don’t try you don’t discover.
Prefer the Chilean versions which may generally be fruity but at least give some pleasure, this really didn’t achieve much at all.


#79

@Russ, @Ghost-of-Mr-Tallis, @cerberus, Muré Rouffach Tasted last night at Stationer’s Hall. Along with the Landelin and a Shlumberger I think. All pale and slightly herbal. Rouffach possibly the best value, but all disappointing at their respective prices. :frowning:
Maybe I just like riper fruit in my Pinot. Although, Had an aged Hugel Jubilee bottling at lunch with a friend recently and thought it was amazing, so I had some high hopes.


#80

@Kent_wino Which vintage of the Landelin did you taste?